afaik, haynes is a respected member of the daz community, so i wouldn't expect him to pull this kinda crap. and according to his own words, they're tinkered-with. i'd trust him. all the same, yeah, i wouldn't know what to say in regards to selling something off free software. it's a lot like selling mats and skies off bryce, when you haven't really started from scratch, as it were, but randomized dte's. shrug drac