Arcady, It is hard for me to tell what you want. You asked how - I said get some background basics. You said - been there, done that - didn't get it. I said - too bad, here is the "how to" info. you asked for. You have replied to the "too bad" part. I figured that you would have replied to the "how to" part if that is what you really wanted to know. "The 'basics' of that tutorial at subdivision modeling, which I read through in full about a month ago, is nearly 80-100% concepts that do not exist in Carrara." If we are talking about the same primer over on subdivisionmodeling, just about all the concepts presented do apply to Carrara. The Standard version of Carrara is missing some of the specific edge tools listed, but that does not mean you can't do what you want to do. Is Carrara Standard the best tool for your modeling needs? Maybe not, but it is not useless. You can learn the basics of polygonal modeling with it. I do not use the vm for modeling but there are users in the Carrara community that have made models that will stand up to anything made in other dedicated modeling applications, using earlier versions of Carrara (c4-c3) that had far fewer tools than Carrara 5 standard has today. I am not going to suggest doing it in something else or upgrading to C5Pro that does not look like what you want to hear. good luck with your 3d quest wayne k guam usa