NO problem shere ren mem, I wasn;t intending to single you out. I've seen the same thing said across the boards, not even so much here. I have Hex too and am just the opposite of you, feeling much more compfortable with Carrara's tools. Hex is a bit.. quirky for me. Haven't really looked a the differences between standard an Pro. I know that I could have done the same model (and have done similar) in C4 just a matter of a single slider in the Sud-d menu and a bit different wokr wiht the scale tool. SO I THINK the process should still work. I'll pop over the Eovia and see what tools she might not have. mike