The thumbs do move at the end. I am suprised people find her residual arm raise unconvincing. I am still taking in all comments and also working on repost animation, although other projects are delaying me. While I think the hair is not too loose, I am looking into a certain tightening. Of interest: if you set "position force" too tight, when there is a stop, the hair model 'magically' attempts to return to it's original position, despite inertia and gravity. Therefore, that control, which has been my main stablizer, has to be dialed back and tempered with 'root stiffness' and other controls. More on this later. Thank you for all comments. ::::: Opera :::::