Thanks Marque, I hadn't thought of poser pros. DAZ has alot of "fetish Armour" but little else. The Gangsters set is cool though. Little_Dragon thanks also, already got them :-) I have 5 Dynamic outfits done sofar and hope to have 10 done by monday to post in the free section. I'll see what I can do for the Karate Gi Here is waht I have done so far. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1163338&Start=1&Artist=mapps&ByArtist=Yes