Sigh... it would be nice to have a draw-poly tool available like that in Wings. I have to start with a primitive and try to sculpt it into the shape I want by adding verts and edges. Wings does do nice extrusions and bevels though. Maybe someday I'll come up with the extra moolah to buy Max, or one of the other biggies that have tools like you describe. Of course you're a pro Ray and you need all those tools but I'm just an enthusiastic amatuer. I still have a lot of fun doing this though. :-)