The way i see it, if the fractal gallery was split, then there wouldn't be as many people looking at the apo thumbnails. Many people would only go to the UF gallery and no any other fractal program. You may find that 30 viewings drop significantly. I think all fractal images belong together. The reason i like fractals is because it amazes me what math can do. There is so much more to good fractal art than what program is used. Creativity, and being different are so important to what i look for in a fractal. There are apophysis users who do get 50+ viewings. I have, and so have you Craig. There are, however UF images that get more recognition than i think they should deserve. If i were more social, and had a huge network of R'osity friends, then i am sure i could get more viewings, and spend less time making fractals too. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being here on more of a social level though. It is a community after all. I think UF does deserve a lot of credit though. it is a powerful program, that can create awesome fractals. My only suggestion is to try something new with apophysis. be creative. Michael