WHAT ABOUT HAIR! have you thought that through? Your point 7 bothers me.....you give two reasons for not rendering in Poser. The second is not wanting to have to composite an image sequence. If you are thinking of rendering to a complete movie from Max without going out to individual frames, that bothers me as a not-pro position. Don't you want that folder of lossless masters sitting in a directory, regardless of what app created them? It is SO simple to have Quicktime import an image sequence. ::::: Opera :::::