Keith: What are your views on creativity? You find that there is a lack of creativity in flames. Is there also a lack of creativity in other styles too? I do see that flames are quite often similar to one another. In my opinion (and i don't mean to offend you Craig or anyone else), but i find random generations and mutations just don't do it for me. There has to be something else. Intellegent design. Craig: You asked if "can we step it up a bit, and try creating more cool things?" I think that was a leading question. It was more like a calling of all apo artists to step it up. The obvious answer is yes. That means doing something different. You like your style, but you cannot make anyone else like it. if you want more views, you have to give people what they want. There is so much more to apophysis than mutations. I've never used a mutation on any of my flames i have posted. Michael