carodan, In your first image above, that character has good shape to the shoulders and upper arm. Somehow you've gotten around the Poser problems in that area. Was your custom morph a part of that, or is it actually possible to get Apollo to look like a normal human man? Would you be willing to post a render of the inner elbow of that character in bent position? Have you overcome the bent drinking-straw issue, as well? ::::: Opera :::::