ok. this is interesting. Those are near-normal arms and shoulders, something you do NOT see in Poser. I use James and EJ-male-morphed because they are the least of all evils. Michael, Davide, etc., are useless to me. I won't be able to get to it for a while, but I'm going to wake him up and get the cole morphs. It's worth a shot. ::::: Opera :::::