I downloaded the Habware plugin, and exported the file as an obj, but when I took into max there was nothing there ??? Ach - I thought that pro pack was something recent, ah well that idea goes out the window. Are you getting sick of answering all my newb questions yet little dragon ? ;-) Thinking I might just have to splash the cash and give the old credit card a bashing at get the Reiss Studio software... On a different subject, this forum has been the most helpful and friendly of all the poser forums Ive used - nice to see for a change. Chris