ren_mem and jimbo, sorry i gave the impression "only with shaders", i actually meant 'my textures from poser are moving over but of course not my shaders that kick-up the textures.' And, your point taken about SSS and fresnel being new in C5. So...it is very likely accomplishable, but the field has not yet been turned over. ::::: sigh ::::: If I could persuade Paul Kinnae [poser skin shader guru] to beome Carraraized I'd be happy. I might help the process along, but I am no genius in this area. ::::: Opera :::::