I was rasing the non-ERC aspect 'cos it does generally cause confusion. I was not trying to confuse, nor underestimate the amount of research that you've done. > But it shows the basic problem -- load order is paramount. On this we agree! > I am told P5 does not replicate the latter behavior. ["bad" crosstalk between similar figures] Agreed. > I am told, however, that P5 does replicate the former behavior. ["good" cloth to figure crosstalk] This sounds very suspicious to me. Only for simple clothing, it does not work, leastways for me, for clothing using ERC ("super-conforming" clothing). But I do agree that if it did work for ERC clothing it would be strange ;-)