I guess PCF using Poser Maconverter 1.1 is the way to go. I did not know one could add and subtract and still use PCF. I always thought it was designed just as a Morph detector. I was mistaken. Encoding is new to the mac OS. As to the grouping of the hip items, it seems to work just fine. As traveler points out, both items were conforming via their .cr2's to begin with. I still have to get rid of somemore fractals and move some points around. A transparency test will tell a lot. I would like to get the bottons seperated with their own color option and a draw string as well, since those items would never really be transparent. I've never be happy working in RDS with the "bazaro world" of jump in / jump out, mesh molders, etc.. Just an old MacoModel user, but the export/import work-arounds were driving me nut. And now with the P4's and Painter 3D's MetaStream additions to every file export, nothing seems will import into any non-MetaCreation program. Thanks again Lakota