i just saw a friend of mine (went to her house) she rendered a picture right in front of me (with carrara) after about 3 hours (3ghz P4) the pic was done it was only a portrait of a head, but she had a rather large pic made :) quality of the skin looked damn good, and focusing realism myself, even i was almost tricked, if i hadn't watched it i told her to post, but she's never been to this site so dunno if she will or not i've seen quality skin come out of it, so i have further inspiration to learn carrara ;D i'm happy as for realskin shader, i havent found an equivalent to N node otherwise rest of the math is available to create the shader i hope by the weekend, i'll have time to play with it LOTS more :)