I havent made the final choice due to the fact.. Daz and lightwave with MimicPro... Damn it a year ago it was cut and dried who you went for... Ahhhh freak mimic is so fun... sorry unless Rob can sit there and tell us that he has Max included I will go with LW...But if Max is Included even if it is down the road I will BUY...Cheaper for4 me thru the UpgradePrice...Hahhhahhhaaa