as a response to stephi: That's why flames are usually digital. they can be reduced to a bunch of indents on a metal disk at any time at all. and to tdierikx- i also look back at my non-rendered apo images, and cringe, but i also get nostalgic at my better images, such as Jellyfishes, the Gift, the Eclipse series, Faces, etc. i only posted the ones that i thought were good. and to tony: Thanks for your input. this thread was not intended for people like you. if you don't have anything nice to post, keep your browser out of the Forum!!!!! and to Tonyyeboahismygod: Please don't start a cult.