Wow, I was a jerk back then. I've mellowed in my old age, but I might still be a jerk, just an older one :) As you can see, this is just one of many discussions that we have had on this topic. I'm sure that it will happen again. A new member of the Church of the Apophysals for Flame Purity will come along and in their newfound religious zeal proclaim that flames are the only true fractal art on the face of the whole earth. I'll say it again. I love flames (Harmen is OK too :)). Some of my most popular images were built with them, but they are just one piece of the big picture. Tony, welcome back.