First thanks everyone for the support you've shown Rena and I, I'll try to explain how we got to this situation, the first site I opened was on my normal ISP and at that time I was writing for the Internet EYE so put a link up to them Allen noticed the hits coming from there and offered to host what would become Poserworld, this was 2 years ago almost to the day. Now the site running was left to me and Allen looked after the financial side of things running ads and accounting for CD's ect. to pay for the servers, as you know Rena joined us and then later Propsguild and everything was running fine till out hosts decided it wasn't charging enough, at which point or annual bill for all sites was going to be around $25,000 which we could never afford so Allen created his own server, we then accepted Posegamers, Poser fashion and Schlabbers site thinking everything would be fine once the T1 was installed, but well as you can all see it didn't pan out that way which leaves us in the situation we are in now.....as for the godzilla type apps at the point when PW/FW was gone and the other 3 where left up 80% of the downloads where mass download programs and 20% where real people downloading kinda makes you want to scream eh! LOL..........Steve