This thread really saddens me, Im all behind whatever options you choose to keep your site and the other affiliated sites alive. Running two of the other big free sites, I know exactly what you guys are going through. The thing that really tee's me off is the reaction generated from user's becuase they cant access their freestuff. You should see the coloful email we get whenever the PropsGuild site goes down. Steve and Rena, I hope everything works out for the best for your sites, And for you ungrateful folk out there...and you all know who you are....Lighten up!?! And be thankful for all the generosity Steve, Rena and others have offered over the years and supplying the community with so much. Ken