Goond morning folks, and yes I am please to say Apollo Maximus. Thank you Anton! All of you who found faults with this nip and that tuck, etc., no problem...keep 'em coming especially if you have a remedy and remember, this is after only 2 hours of playing with him, and especially after two hours when the ONLY thing I really cared about is the correction of the stinkin' Poser shoulder pads and inward-curving upper arm! dirk5027, I DO think I am on to something, at least for myself but I'll share for any who care. I'm going to take all the above problems and see what can be done. For one thing, this body texture has virtually no hair. Second, no offense Anton, but the texture itself is not the greatest, but a good start. And my killer ultimate ace-in-the-hole, personally? For my needs, he does not need to be nude very often! I just need a male model that when wearing a shirt or sweater looks like an acutal human being and not an android project by the 8th grade science class in a hurry. Anyone interested in getting Apollo down the path to more-or-less normal shoulders and upper arms, start this way from the defaul: -0.140 body muscles1 -2.500 body define This takes away Apollo's shoulder caps and hero muscles, and yes he looks like he has bad muscle tone. For me, this is not serious because I need him for scenes where he plays a healthy but not bulked person. Plus, I will be tweaking to build back a more shapely figure without disturbing the nice shoulders and upper arms. For me, the next dial to fool with is: -1.000 SizeShldrs Some may actually want to spin UP this setting. Anyway, that gets you started. If you need a muscular hero to sweep that damned Vickie off her feet (or defend himself from her wrathful sword), then hey, Apollo might still be your guy, without the back-down. I still like James and EJ-withMaleMorphs, and will continue to use them. I'll post some shots with his shirt on later today, and an animation. Thanks to everyone posting, and continue if you please with any tips on AM. And thank you, Anton. ::::: Opera :::::