Tony, you don't state how much RAM you have on board. If less than 1Gig, that is the problem. I've found that 1.5 is best. More than that, Poser does not take into account. Meanwhile, you have obviously tried many important things already. I believe the issue is that most of RAM is taken up storing your props and their textures, so when the render begins the engine runs out of room. A couple more ideas, you may have tried these already: 1) Before rendering, back all the way out of Poser and reboot. When you come back in, don't fiddle, just render. 2) You might have to go to selective passes and composite. For instance, can you make the bridge invisible and render? Then, make everything else invisible and render the bridge. Composite in 2D. 3) do you have AO turned on for any of the lights? If so, be sure the hair has "visible in raytrace" UNchecked. 4) sorry to say, Vicky is a heavy lady. She takes up a lot of resources. Hope something helps. ::::: Opera :::::