bazze you need to seperate the two collar groups and the neck with a column of "Chest" group vertices. Poser has a "quirk" that won't allow the type of arrangement you show in your last picture. You can FORCE it by hacking the CR2 file but if you look a a typical pose figure you'll see the way typical chest groups are set up. P.S. This is also the reason there are problems with skirts in Poser. mike