Thanks again for these links but... not to be picky.. um, some of them don't work. Silke, that shnarf one seems not to work naymore and I looked through those forums for tutorials but didn't spot 'em. And the good Dr. Your library looks GREAT, but I noticed that some of them didn't load (ie Joint Parameters, Hard & Soft Edges, ect.) Maybe the pics were just not coming up for me? Either way, thanks for posting the help guys.