Hehe. Yep. You're right, Max. Then again, Martin Hash is a brilliant guy. Brilliant guys are frequently flakey ;) Hash patches actually made me angry when I first used them :) It was just hard 'unlearning' poly habits. Now I much prefer them over polys for organic modeling, but man, it was maddening getting used to them. I think it would actually be easier to learn Hash patches if a guy had no previous experience with polys.