I didn't see this thread until just now and without taking sides or saying anything good or bad or anything else, the first thing that comes to my mind is my mom telling everyone "go to your room"! lol (I have 7 older brothers and sisters and that happened a lot growing up ;) I'm loud and obnoxious I know, but I like to look at both sides of everything and more importantly the bigger picture (if I can). Carrara 5/Hexagon are great programs and there's still alot to learn about them (for me at least). So first off, thanks to all the guys and girls who make that learning easier and fun. Book or no book, forum or no forum, yahoo or no yahoo etc... I don't have to name names or say who of the dozens of folks here and on the other lists have helped me learn in the last couple of years. There's too many to count, but every time you help me or someone else out you do a good thing and that's just the way it is, so we should keep on doing just that because that's why we love 3d,... All of us. Carl did drop off the map I guess with his new baby so to wrap up the new tools/features we'll have to get creative maybe. Any Ideas?