Yet again you regale us with more hot air and nonsense. Its interesting that you should bring up the subject of abstraction since you clearly use it so well. You seem to have a good practicing handle on it since it is so blatantly obvious that youve offered no facts anywhere in this thread.

ID: "This is a tool to be used." Used how? What are you going to use it for, if not a witch-hunt?

You obviously have chosen not to read my last post in its entirety or you have chosen to conveniently disregard what was said, for the answer to your question is there and throughout this thread.

ID: To state that "there is no more a loathed and reviled creature." doesn't make it so, for in my world there are many more loathed and reviled creatures. The greed-hungry politicians, the weak-minded thralls that dote on their every words, the murderous war-hungry military leaders, the religious hypocrites

Although its not surprising, Im sorry to see that someone could have their priorities so screwed up. No doubt that politicians, thralls, military leaders, religious hypocrites and a few others that go unmentioned pose their on world of abstraction and loathing but were not talking about those now in this thread, are we? Thats meat for another thread. Your tendency to mix and match different topics and try to bundle them to fit your needs is shameful at best. I think it goes without saying and most sane people would agree that the predatory animal that stalks, connives, intimidates, psychologically debases, tortures, mutilates, sexually abuses and sometimes murders their tiny helpless child victims is the lowest form of life on this planet. That you would think otherwise really takes some twisted stretch of the imagination.

ID: So because I disagree with you on this topic, you attempt to insult me, degrade me, mistake my identity and take out some deep-seated revulsion upon me, and scorn me? And you think yourself a decent person?

As Ive said many times throughout this thread: THIS IS NOT A DEBATE. Then you proceed to insult me by derailing and hijacking my thread for some self-serving mumbo jumbo from left field that has little or nothing to do with the subject specifically at hand (an abstraction as you would call it). Then you insult the memories of those little children and their families by talking trash. You went further to take liberties and accuse me of spreading fear, not knowledge and you couldnt be more wrong. I suggest you dont hold your breath waiting for an apology is all I have to say. There are people here who know me, I dont feel particularly compelled enough to demonstrate my decency to you. In fact, Ive put up with your rambling rant instead of telling you to go take a hike early on so I would consider that decent of me.

When people disagree they offer proof and references for their disagreement. So far, youve offered nothing. The only link you offered backfires and serves to fortify my contention on the registry program.

ID: "It's not the creepy guy who moves in next door you need to be most concerned about, but family, friends people who have access to your children on a regular basis," says Pamela Schultz, author of Not Monsters: Analyzing the Stories of Child Molesters. She says most kids are abused by people they know.'

Now having read this, perhaps it's time to live in even more fear, of our own brothers and sisters and parents?

In your haste to put your foot in your mouth you missed that discussion between posts 31 34 where I agreed with both PJF and Ang about it often is a person close to the family and can even be related. Again you demonstrate a your flair for drama and exaggeration (abstraction) by implying that I somehow am encouraging that we should be cowering under our beds from fear. You really dont know me otherwise you wouldnt be saying that.

ID: Quest, if someone types it up then it's obviously the absolute truth of the Universe.

Lets see who my sources are:

Matson and Liebs (1996: 6) review of Megans Law across fifty states a legal journal

http://www.meganslaw.org/ - Megans Law official website

Does Megans Law Work? A Theory-Driven Systematic Review

by Ray Pawson a research paper from ESRC UK Centre for Evidence Based Policy and Practice from Queen Mary University of London

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm - The United States Department of Justice

http://www.sexoffender.com/sorecidivism_review.html

• a resource site supplying information on recidivism in sexual offenders put forth by the Center for Sex Offender Management (CSOM) - a collaborative effort of the Office of Justice Programs, the National Institute of Corrections

Washington Institute for Public Policy - non-partisan, state research institution

Direct quotes from:

Former President Clinton

Senate Deputy Majority Leader Dean Skelos

NYS Attorney General Vacco

Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno

Yep, my sources are reputable and certifiable. I would no doubt accept their testimony over yours any time.

Now, lets look and see what youve offered by way of a single source: USA Today News, a far from reliable source BTW, but it sometimes holds some good information. First of all, Im very happy to see that they used one of the sources I sited here, Roxanne Lieb from the Washington Institute for Public Policy. Im also happy to see that they also give credit to the registry among other developments for the decline on sex offense crimes. I am particularly happy that sex offenses are down in general. It also spotlights another staunch supporter, John Walsh of Americas Most Wanted fame:

"There are still huge gaps in the system," says John Walsh, host of the Fox network's America's Most Wanted, whose son Adam was murdered by a pedophile in 1981. "There's no good tracking" of repeat offenders, he says. All states now require convicted sex offenders to register, but Walsh says oversight and penalties for non-compliance are insufficient.

I agree totally, as I said in post 44 about stiffening penalties for those not registering or giving false information. Congress needs to come down harder on these animals.

Thank you for that link.

To stay with Walsh, last month he made these comments in Florida, Naples Grande as part of a fundraiser for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children Collier County:

Referring to Edward Ziesmers a child sex predator (abducting and raping a 4-year-old girl): This guy fell through the cracks. Ive seen this happen over and over again. And until we have tougher legislation, these scumbags are going to keep taking advantage of the system

The Predator Act proposes that offenders give DNA and immediately register after being released from prison. Failure to do so would result in five to 25 years in a federal prison
We know you cant cure em Walsh said. They are incurable, the whole psychological world says so. You know you cant put them where I would like to put them ...

somewhere on a penal colony on Mars or six feet under. So if you cant cure them and you cant keep them in jail long enough, I think we have the damn right to know that they live right next door to us.

Walsh joked about designing a microchip to put into released sex offenders that would blow up when they got near a child or a school.

Bonitanews a community paper

ID: And what of the more recent religious exposure?There are churches all over this nation. Would you have us live in fear every time we pass by one?

Those animals belong at the very top of the sexual offender registry for their deceit as religious leaders. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Again you abstract and exaggerate about fear.

ID: I really don't mean to be so personal, but it's a personal issue. I have dealt with more rape, murder, and sexual victimization in my life than any human ever should, and have a very accurate perspective on the results of such atrocities on peoples' minds including my own.

You make it sound as if you are the sole authority on the subject. Is this more abstract blustering and exaggeration? The fact is that most of us know someone or have experienced some of or all of those atrocities you mention. Its all around us and thats why we need to stop it any way we can. Obviously you would rather we did nothing.

ID: So to make my point (finally?), I don't think that there's anything wrong with having a registry, but I also don't think it helps anything.

Finally is an understatement! Now thats a disagreement and should have been the first thing that you should have posted in a debate, which this is not for reasons already mentioned, instead of trashing innocent victims. But sadly, you have nothing to back you up and the only thing you offered encourages the registry and extols it as part of the reason for the decrease in sexual offenses.

ID: But I also hope that you really don't live in fear of something you can't prevent or change, but instead focus on other things in life you CAN change.

Further bloviating and exaggeration about fear. I certainly dont live my life in fear by any stretch of the imagination. Passing stronger sexual abuse laws can change lives. Is this long enough for you LSD?

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