OH!!! and here i am guessing at what numbers to put in for how far to scatter 'em!! d'oh! (being as there's no quick/simple way to tell what the vue coordinates are for something, and how far away everything is.... this is not fun.) i think you can drop the items in a group to their relative ground places if you open the group (not ungroup) in the world window. er, at least that's how i do it. i hope it works :) important note!!! once you tell the scatter thing to generate more than one copy, your duplicate command (ctrl-d) will use that number from now on!!! so don't be surprised if you go to get one copy and end up with fifteen.... when you want to duplicate after a scatter, use the scatter to generate 1 copy, and uncheck all the moving and rotating boxes. after that, the duplicate will work right.