Oh duh, yes of course! Steve's right! I forgot about that element. Bloodsong's right, too...at least, I'm pretty sure that'll work too. I remember many times dropping an object that suddenly "fell apart" because it wasn't grouped or because the group was "open" in the scene list. So sure, that should work for the trees, too! Bloodsong: once you tell the scatter thing to generate more than one copy, your duplicate command (ctrl-d) will use that number from now on!!! -- Aieeeee! Now I understand why Duplicate gives me umpteen objects instead of one! Great tip to Scatter 1 after Scattering however many! :: waving bye to Laurie :: Don't forget to pack a lunch! :D And now Mike is giving me a math headache! =:o Where is Tesign? He probably knows the answer for that one. :)