OK all neat explainations. Except Right now I am only using Vue to create a terrain for export to Lightwave. After creating the terrain and clicking OK I then go to file export object and the terrain exports as a LWO object just fine. Just a different rout to the same end. The weird thing is. that I create the procedural terrain. Click OK. Select the terrain from the list and select edit. BAM the terrain is different in the editor. I do NOTHING except those three steps. No resize, no move no nothing. Just Create, Click OK, Reopen in editor. Suppose that I just have to be happy with the one shot at it deal. Never leave the editor until the terrain is exactly like I want it as it seems there is no going back after the OK Tab is clicked.