A new wrinkle. I made a few changes to the card settings, nothing that I had much hope for as a fix, and reloaded C5. If I take a primitive sphere into the vertex editor, I can smooth that, even though it already has 5x the polys of a vertex primitive sphere. But that corny little geodesic dome you get when you ask for a vertex sphere still blows C5's brains out when I hit smooth. And now I have a big P6 import on screen that is working just fine. However, I brought Steph Petite into the vertex editor, tried smoothing (not that she needed it) and bang dead. M