Errm.. dadt, are you using the latest SRs for Poser 6? I used to get that wierd stuff in the cloth room too, but after installing SR2(?) it seemed to go away. Of course, it may have been something else that I did right without realising it.. All-in-all, I think I'd personally prefer to go with the rigid-decorated method. Easier to fix using post-work:-)) I also agree with E-Bob, fold resistance might work... I'm so glad you're working with this! I haven't had the chance to get to grips with it, been a little tied up (or should that be chained up?) lately.. Cheers, Diolma