I don't dare make a plea like Dave has, but I do agree that there are a lot of good images that could be great if the colors were different. I know that it's all up to personal taste and that these folks probably don't match my taste, which is one reason that I don't dare say anything. On the other hand, I find helpful comments to be the most flattering. If someone cares enough about me and my art to offer help, how could I possibly be insulted? If someone thinks that my colors suck, it wouldn't bother me at all to hear it. There is one person in particular who has been building some wonderful apo images - stuff that I have never seen before. In my humble opinion, if this person had better colors, he would be the best flame artist on this site. I don't dare say it though. One of my reasons for not saying it is that I know that colors can be a challenge to control in apo. UF provides gnat's ass control so it can be used as an apo gradient editor, but these flames can't be exported to UF. Too bad. These are "next level" flames - at least the shapes are. This goes back to the classic discussion about the purpose of comments, which is one that we have had 1532.345 times before. My conclusion is still that this place is more for socializing than it is for helping each other to become better artists. This is a law of physics that will never change, so make the best of it and enjoy it for what it is. The reason that it will never change is that most people are too thin skinned to accept anything but stroking and most other people are too afraid or too lazy (like me) to offer help. Good criticism requires work and a genuine regard for the artist. Keith