wtf? heh if you have access to cinema4D, i believe version 9+ has clothilde in it which has a very easy to use clothing-creating tool. you can subdivide the clothing and export it for use in something like poser's dynamic cloth room. only problem with C4D is the UV mapping is weak. but if you get a decent looking mesh and want it properly UV mapped you can send it over to me and ill map it for you. cheers, -gabriel btw - nothing can ruin my day now! i just picked up an AMD 64 X2 3800+ processor for $320 canadian, found out this chip is some sortof freak that has an unlocked multiplier (wtf? only FXs are supposed to have those) and i have it overclocked to 2700mhz on air cooling, so it outperforms an X2 4800+, which is way out of my price range at $1000 :( ive been literally jumping around whooping all afternoon, with Rio rolling her eyes at me.