Hi all. Thanks for all your support. While I cannot say what the problem was (since I don't know), I can say that I found a very easy work around. Basically I open a default bryce scene and clicked the daz studio button. On DS opened I imported my object, then sent it through Daz Studio back into Bryce. Whatever Daz studio did it took care of my problem. Yay Daz Studio! Of course by this time I had thought up a better idea for my scene. Anybody know of some sword making tutorials for wings? Picture is 50 % done, with 20 trees a spot light and a moss covered tree stump. All that's left is the sword Gram, and to tweak the lighting, oh and the 2 week long render :p Thanks. David