I found out I needed to "unblock" all the files - New (to me) security feature in SP2. The program is stable now, I got something really neat but I lost it when trying to save. Oh well . . . tommorrow's another day. I also found that it would import other .objs so the potential is there to do some really wierd stuff. I think this program was done in Linix or some other not-windows OS judging by the way the save feature works. Did anyone else notice on the videos that the good Doctor sounds like Governor Swartzanuggie? THanks again Rochr! I haven't had this much fun for at least a month!! Zhannm if I could get to the point where you are with it I'd be happy. - TJ 8:)