lmckenzie, LOL. That is a fast render engine. I can dig it! pitklad, I'll try to link the Eve's later today. I have always thought the Eve by Arduino and the Latex V2 by Arduino where the most popular since they are always on page 1 and page 2 of Most Wanted in Free Stuff. I was hoping this thread would clarify. I used the SENO New Eve 4 because of the maping and I have some Posette breast morphs I like and I use the Traveler EvolutionEve4 I think it is called for the mapping and the terrific body morphs. I am begining to think that there is no standard Eve.