Thanx for those tips all :) I'll do that Deleting the man thingy right away, as that gets anoying real fast LOL Yes, I knew that the display driver was really old, I put that old one in there on purpose, because NONE of the others I tried (and trust me, I tried every single one out there) would work on my system. And the early driver would at least NOT freeze up my Modeler in LW. BUt!, while researching tonigh on Poser, I found that they mentioned something about a NEW driver for my card and sure enough, they did have one that was released just a few days back, on the 17th. So, I thought, what the heck, I've tried all the rest up to that driver build, might as well see if this one works. I read the little bit of info they had and it actually sounded like maybe this time they finally fixed some of the issues that I've been waiting for, like OGL 2.0 support, which my card was meant to do from the beginning but never did. I cleaned out the old drivers and shut off my AntiVirus and installed the new 84.21 driver, and BAMM! it worked like a charm! Not only did it fix Poser, but NOW I can rotate anything from a simple box or sub'ed box all the way up to my complex steam engine train objects like lightning speed with NO freezes! Yaaaayyyy! ! ! ! ! Now maybe I can try and install the modern BIOS for my system, instead of that really old version I'm currently using LOL I'll wait and see first though, as it feels good finally having this thing work for once! I DO want to figure out what this thing is that you mention about fooling my card, as I've heard about that before I even bought the card, but no one ever pointed me to where I find these things? If you happen to have some links for me, i'd sure appreciate it? :) Boy!, for me being a complete newbie, you all sure are treating me nice, that seems weird in this age of newbie haters LOL Thanx, that means a lot to me..........md :)