"All I'm pointing out is that those that do take the days and days to create 90% of their picture aren't getting the credit they deserve versus those that go into poser and throw some things into a picture in a half hour." Huh? Since when? I look at the hot 20, and it's constantly the same postwork fanatics voting in the same artists time and time again. More than half of the images that usually appear there are postworked to death. I think it's just the opposite of what you say. Meanwhile, you have folks who work in other apps on this site, like Maya, Lightwave, 3dsmax, etc., that rarely get ANY comments, views, or votes compared to Poser submissions, and their work is usually ALL done from scratch, with little or no postwork, modeled from the ground up! By your judgement, THOSE folks should really be considered the true artists, because they do it all from scratch, while Poser users who paint over the render actually started with pre-made stuff to begin with. Where does this mode of thinking end?