as the guy who started it and who is learning a lot from those who post and the galleries of those who post i'd just like to say thanks to you all i also agree that the idea of a 'critique club' or somesuch where you could post pictures and get back positive (though critical if necessary) feedback for the meantime, i'll continue to IM everone who adds me to their favourites list, as this way i (hopefully) find out what it is that people are looking for, or hooked by, in my images happy renderings martin