lesee, first Avengia refers to another rosity member as a whore, then she says "Good-bye renderosity! Happy rendering, drawing, creating, or whatever else you want to call it." For some strange reason I find myself percieving this statement as an unspoken "whatever else you want to call it 'cause it aint Art". My bad if thats not the case but DAMN it really really really feels like it. Having read this thread, I find myself feeling that I am lumped into the "not and artist" category of this members perception. I have spent days, sometimes weeks test rendering every single lightset in a 24 or 48 lightset option package (mystic blue, mystic green, soft blue, etc etc etc) for best look. I have spent hours checking postures for realism, making sure people are standing not floating, custom morphing clothes with magnets for a better fit to characters, experimenting with materials to customize item appearances, checking multiple camera angles to confirm positionings etc etc. And all this means squat and im not an artist cause I didnt stop with the model bald and procede to paint my own hair? What about the time spend trying several different hairs on the model? What about all the textures tested before settling on the right one for the image? What about the hair pose chosen and any additional magnet morph adjustments? Again meaningless because it was done in poser and not on a wacom tab? Sorry, but from my perception, the problems in this tread originate from unfortunate choices of words to express an opinion, and needlessly offensive responses from the post originator, And I find myself not particularly enthused to fight to keep her around.....