Neylour: My pleasure. And by the way, I DON'T think this sort of discussion is "beating a dead horse." The horse ain't dead, and it kicks and bites anyone who gets near. The point is not that we "know" someone is wrong, but that we discuss how and why we know it, to make sure it is knowledge and not just the accepted, self-serving prejudices of the community. If we don't discuss these things, we run the danger of burning witches who happen to be right. M