Well I must say that it seems strange to me that one should need to include a definition section in addition to the declaration section, and if it is needed it seems strange to me that all the "junk" is necessary, as the 'name' and 'parent' lines are the only ones that could by any strech of my imagination rlelate to EMC/ERC. Rob's Millenium Null has none of this, and and has always seemed to work ok. Never the less, as my custom NULL Figure does not seem to work on Koroko, I have made a Shield Figure in the format sugested by Nerd. The text of this Shield is attached above. Vilian, I would be grateful if you could test this Shield on Koroko and report back with the results. Nerd, I hope my above comments don't sound too ungrateful, I do appreciate you taking the time to give advice on this matter, I guess it's just that a long association with Poser has imbued me with a sceptical outlook, and I have always been one who has to see to believe.