Aha, COMMAND-click. Or is your Mac wired differently. That does work and my apologies. I thought you were looking at the option-click pop-up and insisting that cutting the channel actually got you somewhere. Now that we have two ways of defeating the fresnel term, at least one of which works on both platforms, I'd call that a solved problem. Now, could anyone take a second and tell me if they lose polygon name groups or have their UVmaps bollixed up? Those two are giving me the toughest time in trying to come up with a easy work-around.