Momodot - yes you are right In England a mac (other than a computer) IS a raincoat both short for macintosh (never!!!!) I wasn't aware of your meaning - where are you from? I guess the song "return of the mac" makes a little more sense now... (duh) heavenlyde gustibus, non disputandum est (Cicero, I believe), which means, There is no arguing taste' (lit.Of taste, there is no argument') or "there's nowt so queer as folk" but it makes for a fascinating world Just to clarify, I dont see lactation as kinky, I see it as serene, pure and a beautiful form of bonding