It looks like the mutants numbers are increasing. Like yourself I have hypermobility syndrome. There are exceptions to the rule! As myself and many others have it, I feel that poser characters should as well, in order to replicate the diversity of humans. :-) Along with the above mentioned, I can turn my legs so that my knees bend toward the front without dislocation. (an interesting yet useless party trick) However in relation to post 3 above. If you can lift your arms above this point, observe that the joint begins rotation along another axis. Generally the clavicle and scapula take over rotation and also add a small amount of translation at this point. It would be a hard thing to raise the arms above this point without using the shoulder girdle. Helena

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