Indoda I hope i'm the one that does your re-sub LOL....Thanks everyone you are all why i love to model and why i love the poser life so much :o)....Kate i think you where one of the first people i came across when i discovered poser, where you been hiding lately......Dave it is right at the top now it has been a while and i haven't forgot, everytime i see something similar it reminds me, i just need to get my imagination head on the design the right thing, i will tend to it the week after next coz i know i have lots of free time that week......Steve