rreynolds... you suggestion is certainly a possibility and I am intertaining the idea. However, I use Poser for pleasure (in my spare times) and as such would like to stay away from potentially opening can of worms (contracts, etc.)... I much rather subscribe to a site that creates models for P4F... similar to Poserworld (which I already do)... By the way, the reason for the limited P4F usage.... couldn't be because there are few items created for the character (compared with V2/V3) ... would it?!!? Anyways, I have gotten a lot of wonderful ideas (from this forum members) and for that I am greatful to you all... best wishes vxg139