Shrug. k. it's all good in the hood. Next week the forums are going to change anyway. we will have avatars and lots of new learning and CHANGE. I know how the poser "community" loves CHANGE. Incase you have NO clue what I'm talking about, check the Community Center forum woohooo scary forum you may not have gone into before. Site is changing the software used for Forums at Renderosty, sounds like it will be more like Daz and PoserPros now, guess we wait and see.